Saturday, October 07, 2006

Fellow rationalists/skeptics/ naturalists/ non-theists, how did you become such? At , sixteen I read Nathaniels Branden's existence exists in the Objectivist newsletetter[ see the passage in Stein's first anthology on atheism]. Evolution had bothered me about belief in a god . Now Iwas liberated! Since then I have read so much in favor of atheism that I declare that theists have not and will not ever advance a convincing argument for a god.


IgnosticMorgan said...

As the poet-atheologian Percy Bysshe Shelly notes:" To suppose that some existence beyond or above them [ laws of Nature,r.]is to invent a second and superfluous to account for what already has been accounted for.
That is the affirmation, in effect,of Ockham's Razor not to add any ad hoc assumptions when some other theory well explains the facts.The God-idea involves convoluted, ad hoc assumptions, and is parasitic on natural causation.
Advanced theologian, Alister Earl McGrath,^ excoriates Clinton Richard Dawkins for using faith as blind faith in an indiosyncratic manner as a straw man..Yet, fellow theologian John Haught administers supernaturalists not to ground their belief in faith as it " gives use to all sorts of fantasies,how do you know that this is the idea of God?' When someone queries some verse in the Bible or some injustice in the light of His goodness, others tell her to just have faith!
Aquinas make the distinction betwixt items of reason and faith: reason reveals God whilst faith reveals the Trinity. Should then one have putative grounds for God-belief, then faith is indeed trust and there is no need of blind faith. but should one lack grounds then one has that blind faith.
McGrath uses the term faith as the grasping of ones entire being,starting from evidence,leading to conduct. Yes, trust can do that.
Dawkins then is using faith in that sense in that no grounds exist to believe in the existence of God.
McGrath cannot fathom that Dawkins's use of Santa Claus as an analogy, which is that people refer to both without facts as only sees the silly use of the name but not the point of its use!.
He lambastes Dawkins for not seeing that leading theologians like Plantinga rely on reasoning,not blind faith, but Plantinga ultimate "reason" for belief is blind faith as his warrant for belief in God as basic violates what Haught admonishes people to do!
McGrath is a deep thinker,just like Plantinga!
Faith doth that to people!
How do you viewers view faith? What have you to add about what Haught maintains? How could Plantinga validate his warrant for belief without its being too broad?
Please comment yea or nay in part or whole at whatever number of pages you require!
^ "Dawkins'God:Genes, Memes and the Meaning of Life"

Anonymous said...

Rational theology [ natural theology] is an oxymorong! That form of theology rests on no facts.
It is not a matter of differing viewpoints about the facts, but the fact that theists use pareidolias to explain the facts. They use the ones of intent and design to replace what is actually there- teleonomy - no wanted outcomes-mechanism and patterns. This is Lamberth's argument from pareidolia.
Scientists are researching why and how people see other objects in place of what really exists. People find patterns that don't exist and find other matters when patterns do exist.
What do you opine on this?

Anonymous said...

McGrath also states that first one has sufficient evidence for God and then one uses faith for certitude.Nay, that very certitude violates skepticism that new evidence might change the situation.
Haught claims that faith means to embrace the sacred as enveloping ones whole being for the better. That amounts no more than to God helps those who help themselves. No, they merely have inspiration to use their own inner resources such that other inspiring matters could do the same for them!
And, born-again but liberal theologian, Keith Ward, prattles that as born -again, he is a better person. Again, other matters can help one be that better person.
Albert Ellis's " The Myth of Self Esteem" and Robert Price's "The Reason- Driven Life" can invigorate people to do better and to have that more abundant life.